Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars? //

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  Topic Started By:  natives    On:  Tue 22nd February, 2005 at 16:03
Boggart
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#31  Re: Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars?  29 May '05 at 12:02

Originally posted by PFBC

Sorry to the non smokers here, but I'd go for segregation over prohibition.

Counters,

Quite agree with you Old Bean.

Outside is the best place to segregate smokers.

I remain,

Boggars
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#32  Re: Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars?  29 May '05 at 12:23

Originally posted by boggart

Originally posted by PFBC

Sorry to the non smokers here, but I'd go for segregation over prohibition.

Counters,

Quite agree with you Old Bean.

Outside is the best place to segregate smokers.

I remain,

Boggars

This form of segregation in a ski resort (with possible -30 temps) is effective prohibition - unless they supply (as someone suggested happens in Ireland) those heater "thingies" (technical term).

Have any of the non smokers here wondered why the bars are quite so smoky? Might it be to do with the large number of us who are members of this splinter group of Exit?

Most of the French bar owners smoke, quite a large proportion of the French public do also. (Evidenced by the Casino restaurant in Alberville - half and half smoking and non smoking, if the restaurant was on a boat it would capsize from the uneven distribution of passengers.)

I dislike the idea of the government passing laws discriminating against ANY section of society, and am only willing to accept the principle of segregation in this case because no-one has yet died from second hand drinking.

Is second hand drinking a side effect of quaffing? (And if so, people may have passed on from this in the Borgia's time.)
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#33  Re: Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars?  29 May '05 at 13:37
Counters,

Doesn't the hot tip at the end of the ciggy keep you warm?

France has had a no smoking/segregated area law since 1998. All public places that are enclosed are either no smoking or must provide a smoking non smoking area.

The ridiculous part is that you can have a 200 cover restaurant and have one table in the middle that is 'Non Smoking,' no need for any physical barrier! You can stand in the middle of the Gare de Lyon in Paris and it is illegal to smoke as it is acovered building!!

With laws like these no wonder the pro and anti lobbies are at each others throats.

The demographics of the French smoking public have changed dramatically over the past 10 years. The over 30's has seen a dramatic plunge in the number of smokers, whilst there has been a small increase in the under 20's - the majority of whom are female. Overall the tendancy is downwards, mainly fuelled by the tax increases of the past 3 years.

I remain,

Boggars
Don't squeeze the trigger, if you can't stand the recoil. - Johnny Cash

Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad. - Miles Kington

"And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show." Humph's last ever ISIHAC sign-off
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mista
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#35  Re: Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars?  29 May '05 at 13:52
i'll have one too please! Guiness, pint of!
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Boggart
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#36  Re: Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars?  29 May '05 at 13:53

Originally posted by mista

i'll have one too please! Guiness, pint of!

Misters,

Woudn't you prefer a pint of Guinness instead??

I remain,

Boggars
Don't squeeze the trigger, if you can't stand the recoil. - Johnny Cash

Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad. - Miles Kington

"And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show." Humph's last ever ISIHAC sign-off
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mista
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#37  Re: Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars?  29 May '05 at 13:59
Nope, I like the dislexick varietty
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mista
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#38  Re: Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars?  29 May '05 at 14:01
Talking of which I am off to get more pissed at a BBQ here in sunny Scotland, have today and tomorrow off then splits from tuesday to saturday, owch!
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PFBC
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#39  Re: Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars?  29 May '05 at 14:15

Originally posted by boggart

Counters,

Doesn't the hot tip at the end of the ciggy keep you warm?.[/quote:9fe2038ab1]

It could, but I've never been into this particular scene myself - not even a little warm wax, I'm afraid

Originally posted by boggart

The ridiculous part is that you can have a 200 cover restaurant and have one table in the middle that is 'Non Smoking,' no need for any physical barrier! You can stand in the middle of the Gare de Lyon in Paris and it is illegal to smoke as it is acovered building!!

With laws like these no wonder the pro and anti lobbies are at each others throats.

...at this point I must charitably admit that this is not because of the laws, it's because the most vocal of the Anti lobby are the ENT surgeons and they remove a lot of tumours.


[quote:9fe2038ab1="boggart"]The demographics of the French smoking public have changed dramatically over the past 10 years. The over 30's has seen a dramatic plunge in the number of smokers, whilst there has been a small increase in the under 20's - the majority of whom are female. Overall the tendancy is downwards, mainly fuelled by the tax increases of the past 3 years.

I put it to you, though it helps my case not at all, that the downward trend is a result of increasing education - and the convicted smokers either popping clogs or getting smart.

The increased tax on cigarettes in a unified Europe mainly moves cigarette sales and marketing into the hands of smugglers and other criminals. This is why I referred to the banning of public smoking as prohibition, because it is the first stop on the road to driving smoking underground.

It's getting to the point in America (where the killjoys and religious right first tried this salami tactic against smoking) where there are places that have banned people from smoking in their own homes. I kid you not. These people will not rest until they get tobacco declared illegal.

Prohibition in America put alcohol in the hands of men with guns, Al Capone being just the pustulent tip of a very large boil. Banning drugs has just made organised crime a huge amount of money since the early 1900s.

Do we really want to be giving organised crime more cash?

I fully accept it is a filthy habit. I accept that I should not force others to smoke my fags. I don't see why this should see me and the majority of the bar's punters forced out into the cold. Give us a heater at least, and don't complain when the fun place to be is on the terrace at -25.
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#40  Re: Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars?  29 May '05 at 16:18

Originally posted by mista

Nope, I like the dislexick varietty

CHEEKY!!!!
Don't squeeze the trigger, if you can't stand the recoil. - Johnny Cash

Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad. - Miles Kington

"And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show." Humph's last ever ISIHAC sign-off
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Boggart
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#41  Re: Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars?  29 May '05 at 16:25
Counters,

Buy your own bloody heaters!! If you can afford to smoke surely you can afford to club together and buy a heater?? Why not save up all your ciggy coupons and get one for nowt?? Or don't oilies have coupons any more?

I remain,

Boggart, Duke of Malborough
Pall Mall
Chesterfield
Pays de Gauloise
Don't squeeze the trigger, if you can't stand the recoil. - Johnny Cash

Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad. - Miles Kington

"And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show." Humph's last ever ISIHAC sign-off
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PFBC
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#42  Re: Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars?  29 May '05 at 17:32

Originally posted by boggart

Counters,

Buy your own bloody heaters!! If you can afford to smoke surely you can afford to club together and buy a heater?? Why not save up all your ciggy coupons and get one for nowt?? Or don't oilies have coupons any more?

I remain,

Boggart, Duke of Malborough
Pall Mall
Chesterfield
Pays de Gauloise

Boggars dear chap,

I see no earthly reason why I should buy a heater whilst simultaneously funding the barman's rent. If I am paying his rent and being forced to stand outside, I am paying a premium to keep your butt warm whilst freezing mine off.

I do not wish to have something for nothing (a la discussion about freebies for seasonnaires) but have a deep rooted objection to getting nowt for owt.

Yours in a strunt

PFBC

P.S. Ciggy coupons were the first thing to go in the namby pamby nanny state's drive against cigarette promotion and advertising, so this suggestion of yours smacks a little of hypocrisy. Taking away our little token scheme and then advising us to use it to keep warm, how cruel.
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mista
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#43  Re: Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars?  29 May '05 at 23:57

Originally posted by boggart

Originally posted by mista

Nope, I like the dislexick varietty

CHEEKY!!!!

Sodding Irish are too thick to spell anyway (no offence to any irish - this is a legal disclaimer so you have absolutely no recourse - no - none at all - dont even think about it - oy - I said no! - dumbass!); what is the point of the second n? Stupid waste of letters if you ask me!
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WTFH
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#44  Re: Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars?  30 May '05 at 07:03
mista,
I'm Irish!
I post, therefore I am

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#45  Re: Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars?  30 May '05 at 07:20

Originally posted by WTFH

mista,
I'm Irish!

Hatters,

So why do you support the TSB's??

I remain,

Boggars
Don't squeeze the trigger, if you can't stand the recoil. - Johnny Cash

Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad. - Miles Kington

"And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show." Humph's last ever ISIHAC sign-off
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#46  Re: Should smoking be banned in ski resort bars?  30 May '05 at 07:35
What, you mean rather than, say, the scum?
I post, therefore I am

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