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  Topic Started By:  ferris    On:  Mon 1st August, 2005 at 18:00
WTFH
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#177  Re: MP3 player confusion  24 Sep '05 at 19:31

Originally posted by Horse

Does this mean my analogy to Betamax/VHS was total bollox?

Yup!

Betamax was, until digital came along, the main video format of broadcast media. Better quality, better design than VHS. But what the main businesses behind VHS did was to get into bed with the Porn industry, and then the major film companies - so, more movies were available on VHS than on Beta.

Here's a bit more info on it...
http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/terms/betamax.cfm
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Horse
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#178  Re: MP3 player confusion  25 Sep '05 at 19:14

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But what the main businesses behind VHS did was to get into bed with the Porn industry, and then the major film companies - so, more movies were available on VHS than on Beta.

So if the main MP3 manufacturers get into bed with the record companies, allowing prices to be pushed down for MP3 downloads, as apposed to Apples M4a format; then Apple will theoretically lose out because consumers will be able to buy cheaper on MP3, now even my junior school knowledge of economics suggests that this is not good. I also think that that qualifies for a comparison to beta/VHS!?
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#179  Re: MP3 player confusion  26 Sep '05 at 09:51

Originally posted by Horse

Originally posted by

But what the main businesses behind VHS did was to get into bed with the Porn industry, and then the major film companies - so, more movies were available on VHS than on Beta.

So if the main MP3 manufacturers get into bed with the record companies, allowing prices to be pushed down for MP3 downloads, as apposed to Apples M4a format; then Apple will theoretically lose out because consumers will be able to buy cheaper on MP3, now even my junior school knowledge of economics suggests that this is not good. I also think that that qualifies for a comparison to beta/VHS!?

Well, the difference is that during the Beta/VHS days, the volume of sales of each was at a fairly similar but low level, whereas, AFAIK, sales of the iPod, its derivatives, and accessories, would outstrip those of its competitors.
If you consider that companies such as Bose have designed iPod specific equipment, then it appears that serious hi-fi business has bought into the iPod concept, and that broadcast media are doing Podcasts shows commitment from them too.
I suppose the final thought would be that the name iPod is almost becoming a generic term now, like Sellotape, or Hoover - consumers are using the brand name when they actually mean an MP3 player made by someone else.
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BIGdave
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#180  Re: MP3 player confusion  26 Sep '05 at 09:59
but technically an Ipod is mainly geared up for playing AAC files, which are better quality and have a smaller file size than MP3... Iinfact you don't actually buy MP3's from Itunes, you buy AAC files...

Does this mean Apple will lose out as you can only buy AAC files from Itunes or does it mean they will kill the market of MP3... ???

Ooooo a new debate...
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sam_c
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#181  Re: MP3 player confusion  26 Sep '05 at 10:09
i thought there were restrictions governing forced monopolys, which is what apple seem to be aiming for in this market.

gcse economics was a long long time ago tho so i could be wrong
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BIGdave
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#182  Re: MP3 player confusion  26 Sep '05 at 10:16
Yes I think your right, but would you not prefer better quality music at a smaller file size, meaning your 'MP3' player would fit almost twice as many tracks on?

I believe, not sure if i'm correct, DVD manufacturers now use AAC as standard to compress sound for DVD production rather than MP3...
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mista
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#183  Re: MP3 player confusion  26 Sep '05 at 10:20

Originally posted by BIGdave

Yes I think your right, but would you not prefer better quality music at a smaller file size, meaning your 'MP3' player would fit almost twice as many tracks on?

I believe, not sure if i'm correct, DVD manufacturers now use AAC as standard to compress sound for DVD production rather than MP3...

no because they have stupid software. Once you get to that type of quality difference it is difficult to notice unless you are ;istening to classical music on a top quality hifi with gold connection plugs etc...
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BIGdave
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#184  Re: MP3 player confusion  26 Sep '05 at 10:25
so you would prefer only to have 500 tracks on your 'MP3' player than 1000 ? ? ? ?

Surely that doesn't make sense...

I mean if i could fit twice as many song on mine i would want to...

And saying the software is stupid... how do you mean... ??? waht is stupid about it ???
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#185  Re: MP3 player confusion  26 Sep '05 at 10:30

Originally posted by BIGdave

I believe, not sure if i'm correct, DVD manufacturers now use AAC as standard to compress sound for DVD production rather than MP3...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/14/dvd_forum_aac/
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sam_c
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#186  Re: MP3 player confusion  26 Sep '05 at 10:30

Originally posted by BIGdave

Yes I think your right, but would you not prefer better quality music at a smaller file size, meaning your 'MP3' player would fit almost twice as many tracks on?

I believe, not sure if i'm correct, DVD manufacturers now use AAC as standard to compress sound for DVD production rather than MP3...

given the choice i'd have as many as poss on 320k mp3 for djing with - on a club system the aac and lower kbps mp3s don't sound as good, a lot of frequencies get missed.
for size/quality on an mp3 player I've always found the best to be wma files - smaller, no discernible quality loss through headphones
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mista
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#187  Re: MP3 player confusion  26 Sep '05 at 10:31
Well that you have to make an effort playing around with software you have to get off the net if you want to sync your player with more than one computer and keep all the music.
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mista
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#188  Re: MP3 player confusion  26 Sep '05 at 10:31
Just going on what I have read on this thread, I dont actually know much about it
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#189  Re: MP3 player confusion  26 Sep '05 at 10:36

Originally posted by sam_c

i thought there were restrictions governing forced monopolys, which is what apple seem to be aiming for in this market.

It's not forced like Microsoft with their IE6 and WMP10! (OK, I know the law has changed regarding WMP shipping with XP in Europe, but the principle is still the same)
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#190  Re: MP3 player confusion  26 Sep '05 at 10:36

Originally posted by mista

no because they have stupid software. Once you get to that type of quality difference it is difficult to notice unless you are ;istening to classical music on a top quality hifi with gold connection plugs etc...

another reason i like 320k mp3s - I've got a load of top class separates with gold connections & bi-wired speakers - makes quite a bit of a difference when you get a decent quality mp3.
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Horse
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#191  Re: MP3 player confusion  26 Sep '05 at 10:42
MP3 is incompatable with AAC file (i think) therefore the reason for the debate. If MP3 players were compatable with ipod then it would open the market up, but i guess that Apple think that if they only allow Apple certified files to be downloaded to the ipod then they have sealed the market, if they allowed ACC files to be converted to work on MP3 then they are handing over the strangle hold they have, why buy ipod when you can buy a cheaper player that works with the same file formats. However there are illegal sites that allow the conversion from ACC/M4A to MP3 and visa-versa. If that becomes legal then...well who knows
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