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  Topic Started By:  TomFromAustria    On:  Wed 19th December, 2007 at 18:17
TomFromAustria
Member Since: 2007
Posts: 114
Vienna
#1  forget shaped carver  19 Dec '07 at 18:17
Born in Austria one year ago.



I’ve got something no other ski has: direction and speed control located behind your boots.

You immediately feel an unknown grip of metal fins when skiing off-piste.

Twisting the feet left or right makes skis pivot on their fins and draw a clean curve in the snow.
Just on hard snow surface you have to care that fins do really carve and occasionally „shoot“ feet and skis forward to put a pressure on fins and to execute a powerful „jet turn on the fins“.
Otherwise you are free to turn as you are used to (carve and skidded turns on ski edges).

The position of fins behind ski boots produces momentum that
forces both skis to automatically stabilize in the driving direction and therefore parallel to each other. Unlike shaped carver this ski offers no handle at ski tip section to get skewed by bumpy terrain.

The ski above has streamlined fins for high speed in soft snow.
Models for hard snow favor short upright edge of the front fins.
Extremely short ski tail of other models allows smooth turns „on the fins“ in very steep terrain.
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tequila
Member Since: 2006
Posts: 8,110
Chamonix
#2  Re: forget shaped carver  19 Dec '07 at 18:24
Is this very subtle spam or just a bit odd.
I like my twins. I'm open to new ideas, but I love my skis just as they are.
Whenever I'm feeling down,
I turn my goggles upside down
so I look like a happy meal
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the_chocoholic
Member Since: 2004
Posts: 5,772
La Clusaz
#3  Re: forget shaped carver  19 Dec '07 at 18:37
Um...would those metal bits not get bits of trees stuck in them? It's just that last week in Meribel, I skied over quite a few baby pine trees, which I only noticed after my skis had sunk through the fresh powder to find them. I have a comical image in my head now...
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peds
Member Since: 2005
Posts: 7,001
Chamonix
#4  Re: forget shaped carver  19 Dec '07 at 18:53
Direct lift from TGR, this chap is obviously just signing up and throwing it everywhere.


Also, it has been covered in the past.

So this grumpy little funker will say "Funk right off."
"Thrill-seeking? Sensation-seeking? What flavour is red? What colour is spice?"
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the_chocoholic
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La Clusaz
#5  Re: forget shaped carver  19 Dec '07 at 19:04
Grumpy encore?

Have a cornichon, even if it's not Happy Pickle Friday yet:




...or get listening to some Motley, Dr. Feelgood era:
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SchoffelShuffle
Member Since: 2005
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Anywhere and Nowhere
#6  Re: forget shaped carver  19 Dec '07 at 19:11

Originally posted by the_chocoholic

Grumpy encore?

Have a cornichon, even if it's not Happy Pickle Friday yet:


That, is quite simply Awesome.
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TomFromAustria
Member Since: 2007
Posts: 114
Vienna
#7  Re: forget shaped carver  19 Dec '07 at 21:04

Originally posted by tequila

...
I like my twins. I'm open to new ideas, but I love my skis just as they are.

No reason to get rid of your darlings, tequila !
This is just another way of enjoying rather steep slopes.
All Mountain skis and these Rax skis live in different domains.
Latter ones like suboptimal conditions, heavy snow, soft bumps,
icy pistes...
Edited 19/12/2007 @ 21:14 Revision #1
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TomFromAustria
Member Since: 2007
Posts: 114
Vienna
#8  Re: forget shaped carver  19 Dec '07 at 21:13

Originally posted by bectoria

...

That, is quite simply Awesome.

Yeah, bectoria, that's what they are, these little beasts.
Some of them look more civilized and quite calm.
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the_chocoholic
Member Since: 2004
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La Clusaz
#9  Re: forget shaped carver  19 Dec '07 at 21:23
...and the tree situation? Coz I imagine it would be quite bad to get snagged on a branch. I'm seeing bits of branch out the backs of those 'skis', or unexpected immediate halt causing whiplash, or comical bounce-back effect, like a giant cartoon elastic band!
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techmonkey
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France (74)
#10  Re: forget shaped carver  19 Dec '07 at 21:39
No idea how this would perform (and I'm slightly scared of it - wouldn't want to get hit by one after a fall!) but I like the idea that people are trying things other than just making skis wider, so good luck with it I say.
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TomFromAustria
Member Since: 2007
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Vienna
#11  Re: forget shaped carver  20 Dec '07 at 11:30

Originally posted by the_chocoholic

...and the tree situation? Coz I imagine it would be quite bad to get snagged on a branch. I'm seeing bits of branch out the backs of those 'skis', or unexpected immediate halt causing whiplash, or comical bounce-back effect, like a giant cartoon elastic band!

Well the_chocoholic, front edges of fins are not perpendicular to the slope, they are rather inclined by 0 to 50 degrees.

Do you mean „ploughing greens&branches with the rear fins“ ?
No problem for streamlined fins, worse for hard-snow models, especially when scratching rock bottom. But the „miracle“ happens again:

When fins have been knocked by a rock under the ski,
ski tail shoots in the height and ski tip dashes against the snow
... and you already passed the rock, you are still standing and not knowing why !!
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mista
Member Since: 2004
Posts: 12,999
The sticks
#12  Re: forget shaped carver  20 Dec '07 at 11:43
Am I the only person that has no idea what that is and what he's on about?

He seems quite convinced that they're an incredible new invention, but to me it looks like the only thing you could do to make them more of a death trap would be to attach chainsaws to the front.
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TomFromAustria
Member Since: 2007
Posts: 114
Vienna
#13  Re: forget shaped carver  20 Dec '07 at 11:44

Originally posted by techmonkey

No idea how this would perform (and I'm slightly scared of it - wouldn't want to get hit by one after a fall!) but I like the idea that people are trying things other than just making skis wider, so good luck with it I say.

How the skis perform ?
There is a video on
showing a freerider on steep heavy snow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yir11kaR_Uw

and another one on a hard one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OZSjVcxcFI
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the_chocoholic
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La Clusaz
#14  Re: forget shaped carver  20 Dec '07 at 11:44
That makes no sense. If the ski tip dashes in the snow, you'd be thrown face-forward into it - they're blade-sized skis!

My concern was not about rocks anyway: trees. And yes, I mean ploughing them with the fins. How is it not a problem for the fins?

I think you're making this up.
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TomFromAustria
Member Since: 2007
Posts: 114
Vienna
#15  Re: forget shaped carver  20 Dec '07 at 11:50

Originally posted by the_chocoholic

That makes no sense. If the ski tip dashes in the snow, you'd be thrown face-forward into it - they're blade-sized skis!

My concern was not about rocks anyway: trees. And yes, I mean ploughing them with the fins. How is it not a problem for the fins?

I think you're making this up.

Yeah, we are environmentalists enough of not destroying young branches
lying on the ground. But a sharp steel ski edge has the same problem.

If you are riding over hard old branches then the rock&stone symptom applies.
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