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  Topic Started By:  meta    On:  Thu 1st September, 2005 at 02:05
meta
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#1  a boot for a binding, a binding for a boot.....  1 Sep '05 at 02:05
I, like many others, are heading off this year to the 3 Valleys. I have boarded for a few weeks before at the end of last years season, but much to my amazement, all the chalet boys said I was as good as them having done the entire season. This lead me to the dilemma as to what gear to get, bearing in mind I haven't the foggiest. So, I came to the conclusion that I shall kit myself out in some decent gear in the hope that it may help me raise my own game. I brought a K2 Recon Riser Snowboard 161 in white and am now looking for decent bindings and boots.
So my question I put to you is a choice and advice for the following:

Burton Freestyle Boots v K2 T1 Snowboard Boots
Burton Cartel Bindings v K2 Magma V10 Bindings

Any and all help would be so very much appreciated.

Many many thanks all in advance for your wisdoms.
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mista
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#2  Re: a boot for a binding, a binding for a boot.....  1 Sep '05 at 03:06
Get the boots that fit your feet the snuggest and are rigid - dont worry about cost, generally you will find that you pay for what you get though.

Then bindings dont really make a huge difference. Generally it is best to get bindings of the same make as the boots cos they are designed to fit so you will end up with more control. Get fancy ones if you can be bothered if you cant it isn't really too important. I would avoid flows - but that is just a personal thing.

Emphasis - boots then bindings, comfort and rigidity are most important. make is worth nothing. try flexing them when you try them on to make sure your ankle doesn't ride up and they dont dig in anywhere.
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feelfantastic
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#3  Re: a boot for a binding, a binding for a boot.....  1 Sep '05 at 04:20
[/quote]Emphasis - boots then bindings, comfort and rigidity are most important. make is worth nothing. try flexing them when you try them on to make sure your ankle doesn't ride up and they dont dig in anywhere.

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Spot on Mista!

Personally like my Burton bindings but boots far more important. Don't go too rigid if you want to do more freestyle stuff though




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feelfantastic
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#4  Re: a boot for a binding, a binding for a boot.....  1 Sep '05 at 04:24
As if to prove the point i quoted the wrong bit -
You can't fight city hall. But you CAN crap on the steps and run like hell!
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mista
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#5  Re: a boot for a binding, a binding for a boot.....  1 Sep '05 at 10:10
I had nice burton bindings, but then got new boots which are perfect for me, they happened to be salomon. I had too much movement between the salomon boots and burton bindings so ended up getting some salomon bindings to match. Much better now.
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rex_luthor
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#6  Re: a boot for a binding, a binding for a boot.....  1 Sep '05 at 13:21
boots are the most important part of your kit. spend time in a few shops trying everything on and pumping the staff for their knowledge. go for fit and comfort and listen to everything they say, looks and should be second on the list because theres nothing worse than only being able to ride for a few hours at a time because of badly fitting boots. also i would spend a bit more on them than you would have planned and then buy your bindings, making sure they fit together all snug like.

as for your choices

Burton Freestyle Boots v K2 T1 Snowboard Boots
Burton Cartel Bindings v K2 Magma V10 Bindings

why restrict yourself to these brands and models? are you getting a good price on these? burton boots tend to be solid although watch out for cheap inner boot lacing as they tend to jam or break easily on the lower/mid range models. have heard good things about k2 boots with the boa system on the inside.

as for the bindings cartels are really aggressive freestyle bindings with massive highbacks for loads of forward lean. great for pipe and park but for progressing at a bit of everything might be a bit to specialised. why not try the ride team, drake supersport, or burton mission. all great mid range sturdy bindings that you can adjust to suit your style as you progress.

would also look at salomon boots particulalry the dialogue, 32 lashed boots, dc or vans for boa system boots or northwave for a really comfy ride.

thats just my opinion though, make sure you do your homework and get round all the shops you can. good luck

ps where in the 3vs you going?
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mista
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#7  Re: a boot for a binding, a binding for a boot.....  1 Sep '05 at 13:37

Originally posted by rex_luthor

why restrict yourself to these brands and models? are you getting a good price on these? burton boots tend to be solid although watch out for cheap inner boot lacing as they tend to jam or break easily on the lower/mid range models. have heard good things about k2 boots with the boa system on the inside.

as for the bindings cartels are really aggressive freestyle bindings with massive highbacks for loads of forward lean. great for pipe and park but for progressing at a bit of everything might be a bit to specialised. why not try the ride team, drake supersport, or burton mission. all great mid range sturdy bindings that you can adjust to suit your style as you progress.

would also look at salomon boots particulalry the dialogue, 32 lashed boots, dc or vans for boa system boots or northwave for a really comfy ride.[/quote:f1c0514a22]

Most of this info about brands is irrelevant, as you said yourself...

[quote:f1c0514a22="rex_luthor"]boots are the most important part of your kit. spend time in a few shops trying everything on and pumping the staff for their knowledge. go for fit and comfort and listen to everything they say, looks and should be second on the list because theres nothing worse than only being able to ride for a few hours at a time because of badly fitting boots. also i would spend a bit more on them than you would have planned and then buy your bindings, making sure they fit together all snug like.

The top end of any brand should be reasonably durable (although this maybe the only other question worth asking in the shop) The main difference is the shape of foot that the boots will fit. Find the top end boot that fits your foot the best; then decide your brand based in this not on any of their stupid gimmicky systems. As I say bindings of the same brand would be recommended although some different brands may also go quite well. Based on my experience burton boots are normally quite bulky where as salomon ones are much smaller (some people dont notice that I have snowboard boots on at times, they really are small!) the respective companies make bindings to suit their own boot style.
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Bags
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London
#8  Re: a boot for a binding, a binding for a boot.....  1 Sep '05 at 13:53
I agree with everyone else!

Boots vvv important. Go to a good ski shop and bear in mind that it might take a long time to find the perfect fit. Try as many pairs on as possible. Tell the sales bods exactly what you're looking for and they should be able to fix you up.

As people have said, the type of boot you get depends on how you want to progress - if you're more into freeriding then get a stiffer boot for maximum stability. Price will increase with the more advanced boots too, so don't get the cheapest as it'll be a beginner's boot and won't help you improve at all.

The brand thing is really only important fit-wise. Burtons tend to fit wider feet, 32s more narrow, Salomon less heel lift etc so I wouldn't be limited by wanting a particular brand. In my experience people either fit Burton boots or they don't. If you're the latter (like me) then don't even go there!

I agree with the boots matching bindings things too. Although if there's a particular binding you like, you can probably demo it from Brigham's at one of the snowdomes - they'll fit them to your board for you too so you can really see if they work with the boots.
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mista
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#9  Re: a boot for a binding, a binding for a boot.....  1 Sep '05 at 14:04
Based on my experiemce I'd go straight for the top end/most rigid boots. They all soften up with time anyway and your feet will stretch them slightly so after a few weeks riding you will have more movement within the boot. Because of this a stiffer boot will not detract from freestyle but will help freeriding and control at high speeds on the piste. Also once you get good and you approach a massive kicker at speed with a bumpy run up you have more control
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rex_luthor
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#10  Re: a boot for a binding, a binding for a boot.....  1 Sep '05 at 14:07

Originally posted by mista


Most of this info about brands is irrelevant, as you said yourself...


i know i just like throwing in my tupence. also chamoix is now completely dead so am sat at work with nothing else to do but impart my opinions on message boards
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mista
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#11  Re: a boot for a binding, a binding for a boot.....  1 Sep '05 at 14:08

Originally posted by rex_luthor

Originally posted by mista


Most of this info about brands is irrelevant, as you said yourself...


i know i just like throwing in my tupence. also chamoix is now completely dead so am sat at work with nothing else to do but impart my opinions on message boards

Fair nuff
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mista
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#12  Re: a boot for a binding, a binding for a boot.....  1 Sep '05 at 14:10
Personally I now have a demanding routine at the gym and am also working abour 50 hours a week in catering but today have the day off, so I cant be bothered getting out of bed

Should really get lunch soon.
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thefoolonthehill
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#13  Re: a boot for a binding, a binding for a boot.....  1 Sep '05 at 16:13
As logic and all the advice given on here seems to suggest; boots seem pretty important. I'm heading out to Val for my 1st season this year, and have been offered the option of a board rather than skis for the duration, which I jumped at.

Would it be best to (i) buy my own, well-fitted boots before leaving the UK, rather than relying on what the hire shop has to offer; or (ii) see what they give me, and then use this as a comparison when buying new boots in resort a few weeks in???

Mista - what do you do in the gym - is this to help reduce injury/improve funtime on the snow, or for your own needs? I'd be keen to know any good preperatory excercises if you;d care to impart that kind of advice...
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rodent
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#14  Re: a boot for a binding, a binding for a boot.....  1 Sep '05 at 16:24
If not at the gym there's always the old "sitting against the wall" which is leaning back to wall, bending knees so you are "sitting" for several minutes.

It totally canes, but it is really good for your thigh musles that otherwise totally burn when you ski for a long time. I find swimming also helps. i do between 3 and 5 miles a week and REALLY noticed it last year!!!
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Bags
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#15  Re: a boot for a binding, a binding for a boot.....  1 Sep '05 at 17:11

Originally posted by thefoolonthehill

Would it be best to (i) buy my own, well-fitted boots before leaving the UK, rather than relying on what the hire shop has to offer; or (ii) see what they give me, and then use this as a comparison when buying new boots in resort a few weeks in???

BUY YOUR OWN!

But really: hire boots have been used loads of times so they've totally bagged out. This means they'll give you serious heel lift which makes your board about as responsive as a dead fish, which results in serious reduction in confidence on the hill and hence a considerable decrease in improvement rate. (I might be exaggerating slightly...but anyway.)

If you go to a good shop and try loads of boots on, you'll find that some just fit better than others in a really obvious way - I wouldn't say you'd need to bother with comparing them actually on the slopes. The sales bods should be able to tell you exactly how they should fit anyway and you can always buy footbeds in resort if there's any issues.

There's something to be said for buying kit out in resort, but I've never really noticed enormous savings, and the bother of having to sort it out when you get there is enough to put me off (in my own humble opinion). I would say, if you're getting free hire through your job anyway then just use it for some skis on the days when you feel like a change...
"I am a very good skier...in my mind. However, video evidence suggests that I'm rubbish. I look like a bus driver in a primary-coloured anorak, sitting on an imaginary lavatory. Also I can only turn right. So to mask my embarrassment, and the pain in my thighs, I ski only when very drunk. I can recommend this wholeheartedly." Jeremy Clarkson
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